JPS: Sade is important, not only for his writings, but also for his incredible capacity for resilience and willingness to proclaim his thinking. Even when imprisoned and sentenced to death, he continued to write what he considered essential: the right to pleasure and the freedom to think and act. This is a great example for me and probably for many artists, …

JPS: It's a false question! I still remember Black Elk (Black Elk Speaks), who was a great Sioux chief who came to London to tour with the Buffalo Bill Circus. He got sick, and he did this shamanic trance where he came back to his village where he saw his mother; so space no longer matters. Just like in shamanic trance, who cares? Whether it is vertical or horizontal, the important thing is to be connected…

MP: I also read in your Influences that you were also marked by the work of Karl Gustave Jung; do you think that precisely, this need in you, that these Aztec cultures, these Aztec rituals allowed you to reveal, do you think that it corresponds to Jung's idea of this universal collective imaginary consciousness?